Grimes Wants To Be Less Famous (and Replaced By AI)
Gideon: I hear you're navigating, I would say, a lot of political space. I hear you speak as one of the political parties left and right. You know, obviously, a lot of the people you meet in Silicon Valley or around Elon are either libertarians or conservatives, and then there's a lot of progressive people, and that's the background you usually run into, I think. So am I right to see young people trying to reconcile different political views and wondering how to unite them?
Grimes: Yes. I really think our biggest problem right now is polarization. So, I refuse to be left or right. Like, you know, like, I-I'm terrified of the conversation that we're having right now about boys and young men.
Lauren: What part scares you?
GRIMES: There's a lot of issues like male intoxication, but how -- how do we tell them, how do we tell men they're bad, like, what can they not do -- how testosterone is such an insane war drug. While there cannot be a political platform, for example, that gives masculinity – and respect – the place and space it deserves like traditional masculinity, and which encourages constructive improvement rather than destroying it, it is still about rights and rights. about women's access to abortion and trans rights? OK, so why the dichotomous? For example: why are they fighting each other? For example-
Lauren: What do you think is an effective way to do that?
Grimes: I... I guess it's always been the carrot to me, not the stick. What I want to see is, ah, a celebration of the positive aspects of masculinity. How, how can you make a discourse that encourages men, for example, to push themselves and be heroic? And how... how do you romanticize a kind of masculinity that respects women and protects discipline and, I don't know, like all that shit, that everybody makes fun of, but...
Gideon: I think I see your point again. I mean, it sounds like you're saying that the default way to criticize toxic masculinity is to try to isolate masculinity. and instead
GRIMES: I think, I think, I think it's happening, a lot is happening, like trying to remove things that are really damaging, I think we're violating masculinity.
Lauren: Shall we do a quick shot?
Gideon: Sure, I'll start. what keeps you up at night
Grimes: We have a global education crisis.
Gideon Mm-hmm.
Grimes: Almost everything has to do with how we raise our children.
Gideon: What makes you optimistic?
Grimes: Young people, children. I see a lot of Gen Z stuff that's scary and ugly and traumatic, but like every Gen Z person I know personally, I'm like, "Wow, yeah. You're so sick. Oh my gosh. And beautiful, so bright." I mean, my children, if you understand that people are born very beautiful. Like we just failed, but we started well. When we start to get enlightened, and, as you know, I think that gives me a lot of confidence, because that's the natural human state, a great miracle.
